HMS LOTHIAN 1944-46

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Going through some old family photos and documents my sister and I found these and thought there might be people out there who recognise some of these people and would like a photo. So here they are along with a copy of some sort HMS Lothian log, listing Captains and items of interest (even 1 birth) between 1944-1946. And a copy of the HMS Lothian's Daily News. Also there's some History found on the web.

If you know anyone in the pictures or anything about the ship get in touch and share it
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Click on any of the photos and you can see high res version on that photo and your welcome to save, print or do anything with them short of selling them.

If you are an ex-crew member or know one send in details. We have heard from 2 surviving crew members and put those in touch with each other, unfortunately most emails are from people like myself who only found out after their father passed on, what he did in the war. Any photos or info welcome. Ex Crew or Families of, who have contacted us.
Joe Campbell, Herbert Watson,  John S Jamieson (Jack), George C Paish, Charles Maurice Taylor (Joe), Patrick McNulty (scouse), William P Mulholland (Bill or Pete), Arthur Wood and Ken Shuker.


 
 
This is the Lothian in it's original state or later as "City Of Edinburgh" before or after being called up.
City of Edinburgh
This may be the Lothian down-under but we can't be sure?
 Were guessing these shots were taken on board 
Looking at features in these photos they all appear to be the same ship
A Kenneth Shuker photo which appears to be looking aft
The send off
Could the send off or it's arrival or neither
The
Crew
Eddie/Ted seen here 2nd from the left in the back row
We believe the chap on the right, to be Herbert Watson, from Peterborough, England.  He still lives in Peterborough and was 90 last year (2013).
 
Eddie/Ted is second from right in the back row. 
Eddie/Ted  with mate.
Eddie/Ted at the front of this one.
 
Eddie/Ted 3rd from the left 
William Peter Mulholland is the sailor on the right in the photo opposite. He was known as Bill or Pete and also served on either HMS Sheffield or HMS Suffolk.

If you Recognise anyone or know where these photo were taken get in touch.

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This is Petty Officer (RNVR) Charles Maurice Taylor (nicknamed Joe) who served aboard HMS Lothian during the war and travelled to the Far East on her. He came from Petworth in West Sussex. As with most who served he never spoke much about his experiences on board. He was trained in Radar engineering at Marconi in Chelmsford and was responsible for looking after the equipment on deck. As far as known, he served on HMS Lothian from her conversion to a warship until 1945. If you know anyone who knew him get intouch.
Here are some Photos with Kenneth (Ken) Shuker - Able Seaman Stoker.
In this one Ken is Back Right
His son-in-law Peter wrote
I am the son in law of Ken who died in some time ago 1997, He said he served on a spy ship which was secret and towards the end of his life he told a few stories to his children and his grandchildren.
He never gave the name of his ship , yesterday when looking through some old papers and photos his service record came to light and a ship he served on was in that record . It was HMS Lothian and this morning I looked on the web and came across your site which is very good thank you and ties in with it being a spy ship.
It also tied in Golden Hind with his stories of Australia and being left in the Australia in hospital with severe tonsillitis when the ship sailed.
Here are some Photos with Kenneth (Ken) Shuker - Able Seaman Stoker.
In this one Ken is seated Right
We think Ted Handford might be the one peering over heads at the back.
Here are some Photos with Kenneth (Ken) Shuker - Able Seaman Stoker.
In this one Ken is second left on the back row
We think Ted Handford might be at the back in this one as well.
To the left is a photo of George Paish taken from his I.D.
After seeing this site George contacted us and said.

"No Wrens served on board I think these girls were at a shore establishment in Sydney named Golden Hind."

"I joined the ship in August 1944 at Sheerness at the same time if I remember correctly, we were joined by comrades who had served in HMS Bulolo."

"When the ships role was changed at the end of February 1945 I and several others were sent back to the UK in the cruiser HMS Newcastle." 

"Some years ago a R N Captain rang me to say he was reseaching Mutinies in the Royal Navy and he was refused access to the Lothian files at the Admiralty as they were covered by the Official Secrets Act for 70 years, so let us hope that in 2014 the official facts will be revealed. I have never agreed that the Leading Seaman should have been dismissed the Royal Navy and others were placed under open arrest and confined to certain places on deck, because of this  I and my colleagues were made to do Seamans duties e.g. scrubbing decks which we were not our duties."

"I do not know if you are aware that there was an air section to control and direct aircraft during a beach assault."

"I was Mess Deck 14  a Leading Aircraftsman No 1874198 G C Paish."

George is seen here with his mate Cpl Steve Sadler who is on the right. This was taken in Sidney while the ship was in dock, and they were stationed ashore.

They were issued with khaki battledress when they were posted to Combined Ops but still retained their R.A.F. uniform.

George (now 89) wrote, "I realise that this is not important but it gives you a little idea of what a mixed crew we were, serving alongside Royal Navy, Royal Marines, and Royal Signal Corp. until the end of February 1945."

On leave enjoying a bit of Ice skateing with locals
This we think is Eddy/Ted with his Aunt who lived in Australia. But this is the first we every knew of it. We think he had a number of relative there in the 40s-50s. See below, If you know them let us know

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Ted / Eddy / Edward 
1925-1988

Born in the family Pub - Ship and Pilot Bristol

After leaving the service he worked as a Butcher for many year and ended his working life as a Clerk at Imperial Tobacco (Wills) in Bedminster, Bristol. 
He married in 1952 and had 2 children, a girl in 1955 and a boy 1958
He was a Scout Leader for many years at the 52nd St. Leonards, St. George, Bristol.
He flew a Radio Controlled Aircraft for a while and for many years ran dances with his Brother-in-law Cliff and Sister-in-law Marie.
The
Wrens
These may have been on the Lothian or Wrens they meet around the world 
SHIPS LOG 
1944-46 (67,000 miles)
H.M.S. Lothian
Daily News March 20th 1945
Travel
Papers
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Certificates of the
Service of, Papers
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Other Documents found on the web relating to H.M.S Lothian

HMS MONTCLARE  - Depot Ship

1 9 4 5
January  to  April 

On completion took passage to Manus in Admiralty Islands to support of destroyers of 
                             British Pacific Fleet in Task Force 57
(Note: British Pacific Fleet Train was identified as Task Force 112 and some of the ships allocated were already deployed in the Pacific
                                             The Flagship HMS LOTHIAN arrived at Manus on 2nd March and had proved to be totally unsuited for this task. See THE FORGOTTEN FLEET by J Winton. and WAR WITH JAPAN (HMSO).

May                         Arrived at Manus for support of destroyers in BPF.

29th 
                  Rear Admiral DB Fisher, Flag Officer Fleet Train and staff joined ship from HMS LOTHIAN.
                                Repair staff officers and ratings together with equipment also transferred.

31st          Took passage from Manus to Brisbane.
                                 (Note: Ships of BPF were returning to Australian ports for maintenance and leave after taking part in Operation ICEBERG II in Sakishma Gunto islands.
                                            above reference.)


CITY OF EDINBURGH - 8,036 g.t., built 1938 by Cammel, Laird & Co, Birkenhead for Ellerman City Line. Employed on the USA - Australia - New Zealand route until 1939. 

1941 caught fire at Takoradi and towed to sea to avoid blocking the port if capsized, but fire extinguished and repaired. 

Nov.1942 took part in convoy KMF4 carrying troops for Operation Torch (Invasion of North Africa). 

Sep.1943 taken over by Admiralty and converted to Landing Ship Headquarters for Pacific operations. 

July 1944 renamed HMS LOTHIAN and sent to join the U.S 6th fleet as part of Force X. 

3rd Aug.1944 she left the Clyde for the Pacific via New York & Panama. Instead of 450, there were 750 aboard under the command of Rear Admiral A. G. Talbot, all in very cramped conditions with insufficient ventilation or water. 

1st Sep. while docked at Balboa, an armed mutiny occurred and Royal Marines were used to quell the mutiny. This was the only armed mutiny in the Royal Navy since the 19th century. As there were no relief seamen available and nowhere to jail the mutineers, their sentences were suspended and the ship proceeded. 

29th Sep, HMS LOTHIAN joined the U.S.6th fleet at New Guinea but the Americans took no interest in the British force and after aimlessly sailing around the islands, she was sent to Sydney. 

Feb.1945 she became flagship to Rear Admiral D. B. Fisher and her duties were to control the transports arriving to supply the British Pacific Fleet. 

Sept, after the Pacific War ceased, she was used to evacuate civilians and prisoners of the Japanese from Singapore, Hong Kong and Shanghai. 

1946 returned to Ellerman Line and reverted to CITY OF EDINBURGH. 

1947 transferred to Ellerman & Bucknall ownership. 

Apr.1961 sold to Hong Kong Salvage and Towage Co and renamed CASTLE MOUNT for her last voyage to Hong Kong where she was scrapped the same year.


Scope and content - Mutiny aboard HMS LOTHIAN, Balboa, Panama Canal Zone, 1 September 1944: Courts Martial of three seamen

Covering dates - 1944 Oct 27 - 1945 Dec 19

Availability  - Open Document, Open Description, Normal Closure before FOI Act: 30 years

Former reference (Department) - CASE 6907

Note - See also ADM 156/258B, ADM 156/259, ADM 178/237

Held by - The National Archives, Kew


Royal Signals Afloat - Visual signalling

For many years detachments of army signallers have been employed on board HM ships for communications in amphibious warfare, and logistics supply vessels. Their use began before the second world war but the formation of Combined Operations HQ under Lord Louis Mountbatten, himself a former naval signals officer, in 1942 led to the rapid expansion of the service. In 1942/43 four HQ Ship Signal Sections, as they were termed, were formed to join HMS BULOLO, LARGS, HILARY and LOTHIAN, vessels converted for combined operations and known as LSH(L). The Royal Signals sections worked alongside the Naval communications ratings controlling the radio nets between HQ staffs and the troops ashore. The first three named took part in Operation NEPTUNE, on the Eastern Task Force for the Normandy landings in June 1944, as HQ ships each controlled a division. HMS LOTHIAN with No. 4 Ship Signal Section was deployed to the Pacific where it remained in support of Australian and US forces until the Japanese surrender.



 
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