H.M.S Lothian

HMS LOTHIAN 1944-46

Going through some old family photos and documents my sister and I found these and thought there might be people out there who recognise some of these people and would like a photo. So here they are along with a copy of some sort HMS Lothian log, listing Captians and items of interest (even 1 birth) between 1944-1946. And a copy of the HMS Lothian's Daily News. Also there's some History found on the web.
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This is the Lothian in it's original state or later as "City Of Edinburgh" before or after being called up.

This may be the Lothian downunder but we can't be sure?

Were guessing these shots were taken on board

Looking at features in these photos they all appear to be the same ship

The
send off

Could the send off or it's arrival or neither

The
Crew

Eddie/Ted seen here 2nd from the left in the back row

Eddie/Ted is second from right in the back row.

Eddie/Ted with mate.

Eddie/Ted at the front of this one.

Eddie/Ted 3rd from the left

On leave enjoying a bit of Ice skateing with locals

This we think is Eddy/Ted with his Aunt who lived in Australia. But this is the first we every knew of it. We think he had a number of relative there in the 40s-50s. See below, If you know them let us know

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Ted / Eddy / Edward
1925-1988
Born in the family Pub - Ship and Pilot Bristol

After leaving the service he worked as a Butcher for many year and ended his working life as a Clerk at Imperial Tobacco (Wills) in Bedminster, Bristol.
He married in 1952 and had 2 children, a girl in 1955 and a boy 1958
He was a Scout Leader for many years at the 52nd St. Leonards, St. George, Bristol.
He flew a Radio Controlled Aircraft for a while and for many years ran dances with his Brother-in-law Cliff and Sister-in-law Marie.

The
Wrens

These may have been on the Lothian or Wrens they meet around the world

SHIPS LOG
1944-46 (67,000 miles)

H.M.S Lothian
Daily News March 20th 1945

Travel
Papers

Name and No hidden

Other Documents found on the web relating to H.M.S Lothian

HMS MONTCLARE - Depot Ship

1 9 4 5
January to April
On completion took passage to Manus in Admiralty Islands to support of destroyers of
                             British Pacific Fleet in Task Force 57
(Note: British Pacific Fleet Train was identified as Task Force 112 and some of the ships allocated were already deployed in the Pacific
                                             The Flagship HMS LOTHIAN arrived at Manus on 2nd March and had proved to be totally unsuited for this task. See THE FORGOTTEN FLEET by J Winton. and WAR WITH JAPAN (HMSO).
May                         Arrived at Manus for support of destroyers in BPF.
29th
                  Rear Admiral DB Fisher, Flag Officer Fleet Train and staff joined ship from HMS LOTHIAN.
                                Repair staff officers and ratings together with equipment also transferred.
31st          Took passage from Manus to Brisbane.
                                 (Note: Ships of BPF were returning to Australian ports for maintenance and leave after taking part in Operation ICEBERG II in Sakishma Gunto islands.
                                            above reference.)

CITY OF EDINBURGH - 8,036 g.t., built 1938 by Cammel, Laird & Co, Birkenhead for Ellerman City Line. Employed on the USA - Australia - New Zealand route until 1939.
1941 caught fire at Takoradi and towed to sea to avoid blocking the port if capsized, but fire extinguished and repaired.
Nov.1942 took part in convoy KMF4 carrying troops for Operation Torch (Invasion of North Africa).
Sep.1943 taken over by Admiralty and converted to Landing Ship Headquarters for Pacific operations.
July 1944 renamed HMS LOTHIAN and sent to join the U.S 6th fleet as part of Force X.
3rd Aug.1944 she left the Clyde for the Pacific via New York & Panama. Instead of 450, there were 750 aboard under the command of Rear Admiral A. G. Talbot, all in very cramped conditions with insufficient ventilation or water.
1st Sep. while docked at Balboa, an armed mutiny occurred and Royal Marines were used to quell the mutiny. This was the only armed mutiny in the Royal Navy since the 19th century. As there were no relief seamen available and nowhere to jail the mutineers, their sentences were suspended and the ship proceeded.
29th Sep, HMS LOTHIAN joined the U.S.6th fleet at New Guinea but the Americans took no interest in the British force and after aimlessly sailing around the islands, she was sent to Sydney.
Feb.1945 she became flagship to Rear Admiral D. B. Fisher and her duties were to control the transports arriving to supply the British Pacific Fleet.
Sept, after the Pacific War ceased, she was used to evacuate civilians and prisoners of the Japanese from Singapore, Hong Kong and Shanghai.
1946 returned to Ellerman Line and reverted to CITY OF EDINBURGH.
1947 transferred to Ellerman & Bucknall ownership.
Apr.1961 sold to Hong Kong Salvage and Towage Co and renamed CASTLE MOUNT for her last voyage to Hong Kong where she was scrapped the same year.

Scope and content - Mutiny aboard HMS LOTHIAN, Balboa, Panama Canal Zone, 1 September 1944: Courts Martial of three seamen
Covering dates - 1944 Oct 27 - 1945 Dec 19
Availability - Open Document, Open Description, Normal Closure before FOI Act: 30 years
Former reference (Department) - CASE 6907
Note - See also ADM 156/258B, ADM 156/259, ADM 178/237
Held by - The National Archives, Kew

Royal Signals Afloat - Visual signalling

For many years detachments of army signallers have been employed on board HM ships for communications in amphibious warfare, and logistics supply vessels. Their use began before the second world war but the formation of Combined Operations HQ under Lord Louis Mountbatten, himself a former naval signals officer, in 1942 led to the rapid expansion of the service. In 1942/43 four HQ Ship Signal Sections, as they were termed, were formed to join HMS BULOLO, LARGS, HILARY and LOTHIAN, vessels converted for combined operations and known as LSH(L). The Royal Signals sections worked alongside the Naval communications ratings controlling the radio nets between HQ staffs and the troops ashore. The first three named took part in Operation NEPTUNE, on the Eastern Task Force for the Normandy landings in June 1944, as HQ ships each controlled a division. HMS LOTHIAN with No. 4 Ship Signal Section was deployed to the Pacific where it remained in support of Australian and US forces until the Japanese surrender.

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This is the Lothian in it's original state or later as "City Of Edinburgh" before or after being called up.
	This may be the Lothian downunder but we can't be sure?
Were guessing these shots were taken on board
	Looking at features in these photos they all appear to be the same ship
The	send off
	Could the send off or it's arrival or neither
The	Crew
Eddie/Ted seen here 2nd from the left in the back row


	Eddie/Ted is second from right in the back row.
Eddie/Ted with mate.
	Eddie/Ted at the front of this one.

	Eddie/Ted 3rd from the left

	On leave enjoying a bit of Ice skateing with locals
This we think is Eddy/Ted with his Aunt who lived in Australia. But this is the first we every knew of it. We think he had a number of relative there in the 40s-50s. See below, If you know them let us know sorry you have to type this in but we'd get tons of spam if we put in a link

Ted / Eddy / Edward 1925-1988 Born in the family Pub - Ship and Pilot Bristol After leaving the service he worked as a Butcher for many year and ended his working life as a Clerk at Imperial Tobacco (Wills) in Bedminster, Bristol. He married in 1952 and had 2 children, a girl in 1955 and a boy 1958 He was a Scout Leader for many years at the 52nd St. Leonards, St. George, Bristol. He flew a Radio Controlled Aircraft for a while and for many years ran dances with his Brother-in-law Cliff and Sister-in-law Marie.
The	Wrens
	These may have been on the Lothian or Wrens they meet around the world


SHIPS LOG	1944-46 (67,000 miles)


H.M.S Lothian	Daily News March 20th 1945



Travel	Papers
	Name and No hidden

Other Documents found on the web relating to H.M.S Lothian
HMS MONTCLARE - Depot Ship 1 9 4 5 January to April On completion took passage to Manus in Admiralty Islands to support of destroyers of British Pacific Fleet in Task Force 57 (Note: British Pacific Fleet Train was identified as Task Force 112 and some of the ships allocated were already deployed in the Pacific The Flagship HMS LOTHIAN arrived at Manus on 2nd March and had proved to be totally unsuited for this task. See THE FORGOTTEN FLEET by J Winton. and WAR WITH JAPAN (HMSO). May Arrived at Manus for support of destroyers in BPF. 29th Rear Admiral DB Fisher, Flag Officer Fleet Train and staff joined ship from HMS LOTHIAN. Repair staff officers and ratings together with equipment also transferred. 31st Took passage from Manus to Brisbane. (Note: Ships of BPF were returning to Australian ports for maintenance and leave after taking part in Operation ICEBERG II in Sakishma Gunto islands. above reference.) CITY OF EDINBURGH - 8,036 g.t., built 1938 by Cammel, Laird & Co, Birkenhead for Ellerman City Line. Employed on the USA - Australia - New Zealand route until 1939. 1941 caught fire at Takoradi and towed to sea to avoid blocking the port if capsized, but fire extinguished and repaired. Nov.1942 took part in convoy KMF4 carrying troops for Operation Torch (Invasion of North Africa). Sep.1943 taken over by Admiralty and converted to Landing Ship Headquarters for Pacific operations. July 1944 renamed HMS LOTHIAN and sent to join the U.S 6th fleet as part of Force X. 3rd Aug.1944 she left the Clyde for the Pacific via New York & Panama. Instead of 450, there were 750 aboard under the command of Rear Admiral A. G. Talbot, all in very cramped conditions with insufficient ventilation or water. 1st Sep. while docked at Balboa, an armed mutiny occurred and Royal Marines were used to quell the mutiny. This was the only armed mutiny in the Royal Navy since the 19th century. As there were no relief seamen available and nowhere to jail the mutineers, their sentences were suspended and the ship proceeded. 29th Sep, HMS LOTHIAN joined the U.S.6th fleet at New Guinea but the Americans took no interest in the British force and after aimlessly sailing around the islands, she was sent to Sydney. Feb.1945 she became flagship to Rear Admiral D. B. Fisher and her duties were to control the transports arriving to supply the British Pacific Fleet. Sept, after the Pacific War ceased, she was used to evacuate civilians and prisoners of the Japanese from Singapore, Hong Kong and Shanghai. 1946 returned to Ellerman Line and reverted to CITY OF EDINBURGH. 1947 transferred to Ellerman & Bucknall ownership. Apr.1961 sold to Hong Kong Salvage and Towage Co and renamed CASTLE MOUNT for her last voyage to Hong Kong where she was scrapped the same year. Scope and content - Mutiny aboard HMS LOTHIAN, Balboa, Panama Canal Zone, 1 September 1944: Courts Martial of three seamen Covering dates - 1944 Oct 27 - 1945 Dec 19 Availability - Open Document, Open Description, Normal Closure before FOI Act: 30 years Former reference (Department) - CASE 6907 Note - See also ADM 156/258B, ADM 156/259, ADM 178/237 Held by - The National Archives, Kew Royal Signals Afloat - Visual signalling For many years detachments of army signallers have been employed on board HM ships for communications in amphibious warfare, and logistics supply vessels. Their use began before the second world war but the formation of Combined Operations HQ under Lord Louis Mountbatten, himself a former naval signals officer, in 1942 led to the rapid expansion of the service. In 1942/43 four HQ Ship Signal Sections, as they were termed, were formed to join HMS BULOLO, LARGS, HILARY and LOTHIAN, vessels converted for combined operations and known as LSH(L). The Royal Signals sections worked alongside the Naval communications ratings controlling the radio nets between HQ staffs and the troops ashore. The first three named took part in Operation NEPTUNE, on the Eastern Task Force for the Normandy landings in June 1944, as HQ ships each controlled a division. HMS LOTHIAN with No. 4 Ship Signal Section was deployed to the Pacific where it remained in support of Australian and US forces until the Japanese surrender.
Once again if you have info to share let us know. Contact us at sorry you have to type this in but we'd get tons of spam if we put in a link